Type of lens

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  1. Iannewbie

    Iannewbie New Member

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    Hi all
    I'm TOTALLY new to the proper photography world ,I love taking pictures on my mobile and a few people commented that I have a creative eye so I brought a 2nd hand EOS 750D with a zoom 55-250mm lens ,I'm still learning how to use it but getting there.
    I took a picture of the super moon and wasn't very impressed with the lack of zoom,I also like taking pictures of the foxes and other wildlife where I live .
    Can you please point me in the right direction of the type of lens I'd need to zoom in a lot further?
    Please take into account that I am disabled therefore on a limited budget so will have to go 2nd hand
    Thank you
     

  2. johnsey

    johnsey Site Moderator Staff Member Site Supporter

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    Welcome to the community lannewbie!

    Sounds like you got a decent start at a kit, the 55-250 is pretty decent preforming lens on a budget. Regarding getting extra zoom, it is all in the "MM" So you need a longer lens. Now for the not so great news, on the budget friendly side/consumer side you can get up to 200 or 300mm pretty easily after that there aren't many budget options and the lenses are mostly Pro lenses.

    Most the lenses in addition to being Pro (L in canon labeling) they are fixed length so your not getting a zoom, examples are 400, 600, 800 etc as your options, these are very expensive. There are also extenders.... https://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/8/0300004658/01/extender-ef-2x-iii-en.pdf But they only focus well on fast pro lenses and upper mid tier bodies. This really doesn't solve the issue for your setup.

    You have one decent option but its not super cheap, Sigma makes a 150-600mm that you can get for about $900

    Conversely in a similar price point they also make ultra zoom bodies like the Canon Powershot SX70 or the Nikon P900. They can zoom way fare out to focal length equivalents of 1200 to 2000mm, the optical quality is not as great as a high end lens because its digital zoom, and the cameras have fixed lens. SO those cameras are simply expensive point and shoots which do things alright but give you a lot of zoom.
     
  3. Iannewbie

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    Thank you so much for taking the time to answer
     
  4. Caladina

    Caladina Well-Known Member

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    hi Ian as already mentioned the sigma 150-600mm is a great lens for the moon, not super cheap but one of the best lenses for the price, quality and reach.

    something i do need to ask is what limitations do yu have photography wise with you disability if any,
    i ask because the sigma 150-600mm c is a heavy lens, its alot lighter that others in its class but for me a 52 year old ex panel beater its a tripod only lens, younger stronger people will be able to use it hand held but its got a bit of weight to it.

    this brings me to my most used wildlife lens the sigma 100-400mm c, i got this one two 1/2 years ago and its still going strong,
    its on the right side of weight and physical size to make it a hand hold walk about lens, its a couple hundred cheaper than the 150-600mm c

    it makes a great wildlife lens for small song birds, its pretty hard to beat on price quality and weight.

    for the moon it gives good results, the extra 200mm on the 150-600mm though is worth the extra money but you may not be able to grab it and take out wildlifing as much?,

    one lens to be wary of is the canon 75mm to 300mm, its the only lens that i know and repeatedly hear as being soft at 300mm end, i mention it be cause its often cheaper and a big temptation, there are some people that love it and get pleasing results, there may be copy variation a foot here so definitely one to test first for critical sharpness if its one on your list.

    some other lenses that may come up are sigma EX series, i know there are some fans of these like the 60-600mm etc,
    i used to stay clear of the earlier sigmas but i did find a sigma EX ƒ2.8 50-150mm apo os a while ago and the lens was very sharp,
    turns out the EX is a pretty decent series, the art lens of its day.

    i've not looked too much at the EX series in longer focals because i happy with the two sigma lenses i have for wild life, 3 including the 50-150mm for close to medium range (this lens is bright at ƒ2.8 but not longer reach what you are looking for, got it for indoor zoo stuff)


    with extenders like x1.4 and x2 they have there uses, mostly on bright stuff like very well lite stuff in the daytime or bright objects like the moon and some planets, generally on slower zoom lenses with variable apertures they not the best, they will slow down auto focusing speeds and loose some brightness to the image requiring an exposure adjustment
    they do suit constant aperture primes well

    you will have a better result using a natural focal from a lens vs a shorter one with an extender, some of the better quality extenders will cost you the difference in price between a 400mm and 600mm any way

    i use the canon M50, an ef-m mount entery level mirrorless camera below is the moon taken with it at 600mm on the 150-600mm sigma from London uk

    moon5c vib sat.jpg

    and here is the same set up but with the canon x2 extender mkIII, as mentioned one of the times the x2 works ok is with a bright object like the moon

    moon3a.jpg


    all iages i take are just jpeg, i do understand the benefits of raw but its not something i need for various reason

    and to test the sigma 150-600mm and M50 with x2 i tried jupiter and saturn, quite a high ask for a 1200mm single jpeg image
    planets colla.jpg

    so far its a lens i havent taken out for wildlife due to its need to have a tripod and bigger bag
    mostly i take out a shoulder bag in which i can fit my 100-400mm sigma with my M50 attached ready to shoot so i still consider the 100-400mm c a compact lens,
     
  5. Caladina

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    a couple from the 100-400mm c on wildlife woodpecker green2.jpg
    robin.jpg
    Crow.jpg
     
  6. Caladina

    Caladina Well-Known Member

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    as for foxes there is a cheat for them, food lol foxsteal.jpg
    that was taken with an 18-35mm
    my usual lens for day time cemetery foxes is the 100-400mm, but often i have to use my 18-135mm efm lens because they can come alot closer that the minimum 100mm focal (on crop camera)
    the other lens i use for night time foxes is a 105mm ƒ1.4, its not very long but its got the brightest apurture i could get vs the focal, i tried the 135mm ƒ1.8 but the extra light from the 1.4 made a good difference.
     
  7. Craig Sherriff

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    Welcome to the forum. Iannewbie, if you wish to go longer such as a 500 to 600 mm lens you will need stability and for this you will need a solid tripod. From 400mm to 600mm will cost you, so the purchase of a 1.4 or 2.0x extender use in conjunction with your existing lens will give you more reach but the drawback to one of these is they cost the same as a lens and you loose 1 stop of light for the 1.4 extender and 2 stops of light with the 2.0x extender.
    If like me you are financially restricted, have a look at old film lenses in the 400mm to 600mm range.
    You will need a adapter, these can be procured from Ebay or local camera shop.
    You will need to operate the focus manually and the camera will need to be put into either manual or aperture priority. So all the best with it.
     
  8. Craig Sherriff

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