Canon Eos 5D iv

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  1. Pete.c

    Pete.c Member

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    Hi all,

    I am writing as I am planning on a upgrade. I currently use a eos 77d which is a great camera, but I wanted
    something a bit more. I'm asking because, unlike those people who get paid or get some other kind of reward to big it up I would get a honest straight answer from people who actually use it and know its pro's and con's.
    My camera of choice is the 5D iv. How is it really ? What would it be like to shoot the type of pictures I take. Which are Landscape and Wildlife. I would really like to know before I pay out nearly £3000.

    If this camera would not be good for my type of photography what would you recommend ? I would like something with a fast shutter speed for small fast birds and quite a large mega pixel. I have searched for what seems like an age at reviews, but they all contradict each other.

    Thanks in anticipation.

    Pete
     

  2. GDN

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    Hello Pete and welcome to the forum.

    A couple of questions. Are you keeping the 77d? I don't own and have never used a 5d iv. But if I was shooting small birds, I would stick to a aps-c sensor camera.

    When you say that you want to upgrade your camera, what are you finding is missing with your 77d? Also, what lenses do you currently own?

    Gary
     
  3. rayallen

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    +1 to what Gary has said. I own a full frame Canon and if you are shooting wildlife then you are better off with an APS-C camera and I have three of them. I'll ask the same question - what lenses do you currently have? EF or EF-S?
     
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    Hi Pete, So I think we can agree that the 5d would give images resolution a bit of a bump with the larger sensor and higher megapixels. but the 77d is focused towards more beginner market with options like creative modes and flash off right on the dial. By the time you get to the 5d you don't have those you have a couple of programmable custom modes on the dial.

    Do you need to jump to a 5dIV, probably not, it depends a lot on what features are important to you. You will get a better built and more customizable feature setup as you go up in camera. If you like nature and landscape you may find a full frame is more suited to your liking instead of buying a higher end APSC like a 90d. This will mean replacing you 10-18mm as that is not a full frame lens.

    The budget option here would be the 6d line which you can compare to the 5d and decide if its worth it. You could also look at full frame mirror-less and adapt your lenses over. The one up side is the full frame EF lenses you have will adapt to almost anything.
    Going up to a 90d a 6d mark2 or a 5d4 if your looking at the more recent models in their lineup all will have additional features and a more rugged build. There isn't a bad choice here, you just need to prioritize what you want at the different price points. The best camera for any photography is the one you have available :) ... Good lenses make the cameras images really shine, better cameras will give you more custom controls and features, in fact I still use my 5d2 regularly.
     
  5. Pete.c

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    Thank you all for replying. Ok I'll start with the first reply Yes I am planning ti keep my 77d for 2 reasons, one being I then have a back- up camera and two yep I like using a aps-c camera with wildlife the extra reach is of the 1.6x sensor is a superb advantage. The lenses I own are EF mount except one, which as you will be aware isn;t an especially expensive lens (none of my lenses are up in the high price bracket) so purchasing a wide angle lens would be on my shopping list (birthday comming up LOL). But the ef-s lens would fit on my 77d so it isn't being wasted.

    As for creative modes I have never used them, I can be honest shot a few pics in full auto so I could get used to the camera, then after watching youtube and reading jumped straight into full manual. I thought why buy a a camera a not use it correctly I have taken a few shots in shutter and appature priority but i always revert back to manual,

    One of the reasons I am wanting to change is a weak one, Micro lens adjustment. Also I am finding that the 77D struggles a lot in low light.
    and living in England we don't get a lot of light due to fog cloud and rain as you are probably aware. So a full frame would be an advantage, plus with landscape shots you actually get the whole picture as appose to a cropped version.
    But the main reason is I have talked myself in to needing a new camera.
     
  6. GDN

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    Just to throw a curve ball at you.

    What about a RP or a R?

    Gary
     
  7. Pete.c

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    Just been looking at the R and RP unfortunately I think the frame rate is a little slow for wildlife. Pity there sre some great things on those cameras. looking at the r6 the animal eye tracking looks superb but I'm very iffy abouth the 20mp.
     
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    I have a 7D and a RP.

    Depending on what I am shooting as a subject depends on what camera I pick. For wildlife, it is the 7D. For landscapes, the RP. The RP came with Canon's EF to R adapter so I just use EF lenses. Not to say that I will not buy any R lenses in the future. The adapter stays on the front of the RP, I treat it along the lines of a EF camera. One of the things I really love about it is it's small size, and lack of weight. With the RP carrying two cameras is really not a problem.

    Gary
     
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    I have a 5d & a 7d. I shoot a lot of wildlife and actually perfer the 7d over the 5d. You could save a bunch of money getting the 7d.
     
  10. Pete.c

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    Well guys, I did it. I bought the canon 5d iv. WOW I love it and I haven't even taken a real picture yet, just the odd light switch and plug ect (playing in other words). It's mesmerizing the amount of complexity is mind blowing I have a huge amount to learn about it. it's going to take,
    a lot of reading, watching youtube and time.

    First thing was try all my lenses and I was gutted. Apart from the EF-S lens not fitting, which I knew wouldn't, one of my sigma lenses doesn't either. My Sigma 17 - 70mm which is advertised as a EF lens. So I now require two more lenses, better get saving my money again.

    Thanks all for your input. Not doubt be asking for help soon.

    Cheers, Pete
     
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    Yep, it is quite expensive.
     
  12. johnsey

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    Well there is an 8-15mm fisheye as well as say a 14mm is a common ultra wide prime. I am not sure you need to immediately worry about the 10-18mm range on full frame. Also I wonder what the issue is with your 17-70, maybe we had some sigma users that can help.

    There are plenty of options to fill the primary gap you have for EF. You could fill some of the gap with a 24-70 but I would suggest considering a 17-40L or one of the versions of 16-35L since it sounds like you like to have real wide coverage. You do not need to have zoom across every mm of the range. You can easily plug in a 50mm 1.4 prime in between those lenses and the 70-300 zoom. The 50mm 1.8 is a fine lens and performs great for the price but I highly suggest the 1.4 as it has better bokeh, has a usm motor, and is built better. I also felt the 1.8 was too soft wide open.
     
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    Well done and congratulations on your camera. I am sure that you will enjoy your new purchase.

    Let us know how you get on with it.

    Gary
     
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